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062 – Tracie Harris Noah Lugeons Dave Foda – Moral Dilemmas

Tracie Harris, Noah Lugeons and Dave Foda joined us live for this incredible discussion on Moral Dilemmas.

 

Imagine This

Runaway train is barreling out of control.  It’s path: 5 small children playing on the tracks ahead.  You are standing near the switch and can divert the train saving the children…. But this new path would send the train into broken down car with an elderly man inside… What do you do?

 

Moral Dilemmas!

 

You think you know… You’re probably thinking that saving the children is the best plan… and you may be right, but first consider this moral dilemma.

 

You come upon a bad wreck.  You find amongst the five lying helpless bodies that only one will survive.  The other 4 would only survive with the organs donated by the only one with a chance at surviving.

 

Do you sacrifice the one to save the 4?

 

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Rant

My fuck you rant is in response to a link the ignorant and zealous red hat on backwards Joshua Feuerstein posted up.  The link is from todaychristian.net and is the catalyst behind much of the stupidity spewing nonsense making headlines on facebook news feeds everywhere.

 

I mean he literally scours the inter webs for the most incredible stories and presents them as if he’s some wise reincarnate of christ.  One recently was of the little tick called a Fasuka.  Once popped it’s goo can be used to fix pottery.  Of course Lil Joshey says that it’s the blood of the Fasuka and he makes an attempt at allegory.  He describes christs blood being just like the Fasuka blood and can fix a person’s broken life.

 

Of course he gives credit for this marvelous discovery to the israelites from the bronze age periods.

 

Digging and finding nothing, I go to Reddit Skeptics and seek help.  Turns out there is no such creature, never was.  There is however an insect that the Native Americans used to repair pottery but all in all, the story Josh used is complete and utter bullshit.  It’s a modern Christian parable to demonstrate the “lamb of God”.

Now back to my rant…  10 questions for every atheist – questions atheists cannot truly and honestly really answer.  Yes, that’s the subtitle.

 

Ready…

1.  How did you become an atheist?  Well this is going to be easy, maybe the first question is just a teaser, you know like the hook used in sales pitches.  Well I read the goddamned bible and realized that the god I worshipped was not only unreliable and inconsistent, he was demonstrably evil.  He condoned slavery, child abuse, murder, genocide, rape and incest.  Any one of which would have been plenty, but thanks to the good book I had more than enough to encourage my further religious studies and eventually conclude there probably isn’t any gods and in fact it appears that they are all man made.  I can’t take credit for the english language or it’s words so once I decided that there was no evidence for a god, I found an existing definition that fit my disbelief.

Therefore: Atheist

 

2.  What happens when you die?   Probably the same shit that went on before I was alive.  Others will live and die and I won’t be the wiser of anything.  How did you feel in 1927, well that’s how I will feel when I’m dead.  Nothing.  More specifically, based on millions of other deaths, I believe the science, my body will rot and the atoms that once comprised the me that is here now will return amongst the innumerable atoms already everywhere.  Oh and before I wrap up question 2, my religious family will probably mourn over the belief they share that their all loving God will punish me eternally in the pits of hell.

 

3.  What if you’re wrong and there is a heaven and a hell?  Oh crap!  I suppose I would hope that whatever god is over the whole thing won’t be yours and will instead respect those who didn’t follow blindly behind the indoctrinated beliefs of others.  I would hope this God would respect the fact that I required proof and evidence and held sacred the ability to logic and reason.

 

4.  Without God, where did you get your morality from?  Morality is ever changing.  Societies morals have evolved and have superseded those of even the Gods.  God nor his Jesus ever condemned slavery and instead supported it.  Morals and ethics can be found in 1000’s of species and to think that your morals, that the human species morals come from a God is ignorant, in fact insane.  Would you rape and murder if today you found out that there was no God?  Probably not, or at least I hope not.  I’ve ranted in depth on this before, but it’s your group, your religious nutters, specifically the christians who have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, spouse abuse, incarcerations and sexually transmitted diseases and if you’re morals are superior and from a divine source, shouldn’t we expect to see the opposite?

 

5.  If there is no god, can we do what we want?  Are we free to murder and rape?  While good deeds go unrewarded?

 

Really, what the actual fuck?  Yes, with or without a god you are free to rape and murder.  Fortunately for us, evolution has created us as a social species which thrive on the ability to get along.  With or without your God those who don’t lend to safety and harmony in our societies are removed or expelled.  No good deed is unrewarded.  We all feel good when we help another.  This is reward enough for me.  I don’t rape and I don’t murder, not for the promise of heavenly reward or fear of eternal hell fire, I don’t rape and I don’t murder because I can’t.  I’m not capable, naturally, biologically, morally and ethically, I can’t do it.  Only a sociopath would require the aid of imaginary reward and punishments to curtail a desire to harm another.

 

6.  If there is no god, how does your life have any meaning?  Again, we are a social species.  I enjoy the company of others, I love helping my fellowman, I love sunsets, friends, family, my children, bourbon and Krispy Kreme donuts among many many other things.  This is more than enough to overwhelm my life in meaning.  I require no prize at the end, no fanciful tale of gold streets and mansions and naked cherubs playing shitty music.  I am here now and I’m enjoying every second.

 

7.  Where did the universe come from?  I love this one, because although most of these questions are ignorant, this one is super duper ignorant.  So there is no god, then where did the universe come from.

 

Well let’s say you could prove a god made the universe.  Now which God would it be.  You still have everything left.  You’ve accomplished nothing.  Proving someone made the universe still doesn’t add any credibility to your horrid little god concept.

 

But to answer, scientists are still searching, testing and studying and each day brings us more information and more data.  We’ve only mapped a portion of the universe and of that it’s still shrouded in complexities.  The current accepted theory is that there was a big bang of sorts.  There is mountains of evidence to validate it as well.  But still they continue to learn more and hopefully one day we will understand better.

 

At one point and time a bunch of semi literate goat fuckers thought there was a firmament or covering above the earth and that the starlight was holes in that firmament, they also thought the sun revolved around the earth, they thought the thunder meant God was mad, these same fucknuts are who wrote your holy books.  Yet today, most christians will rely upon the sciences for medical treatments and not sacrificing two goats and dove to Woogey Boogey Boo in the sky.

 

8.  What about miracles?  What about all the people who claim to have a connection with Jesus?  What about those who claim to have seen saints or angels?  If I may, I would like to answer with a question or two.

It’s a fact that where you are born will determine you’re religious beliefs, so why are we watching the Muslim religion explode in membership in the middle east if Jesus is who they see and feel in their sacred moments?  Why aren’t they seeing Jesus?  Why do the Hindus often see loved ones in cows, while Near Death Experiences for Muslims often entail Muhammad.  Bottom line, science has answered this, specifically neuro science.  Miracles don’t happen and if you prove one, please register to win the standing 1, Million dollar price from the JREF foundation.

 

People who believe in martians often see martians and people who believe in Muhammad often feel Muhammad.  It’s actually pretty simple.  We live in Jesusland and so it would be more of a miracle if your sheep’s brains didn’t deliver spiritual experiences with Jesus.

 

9.  What’s your view of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris?  Another easy one, just in case I wasn’t going to finish – I guess.  Well, I love them all.  I can’t say I agree with every single idea they pose, but all in all, they are and were 3 brilliant minds.  They are and have been critical of religious batshittery and do and have done their parts in making the world a better place for all.

 

10.  If there is no God, then why does every society have a religion?  Well you got me there.  1,000’s of societies and hundreds of Gods worshipped, which one is correct?  One day your god will be added to the myths of years gone by.  Gods and their religions came when mankind’s knowledge was at it’s weakest.  When not a single person knew to wash his hands after wiping his own ass.  Mankind has always wanted answers and for each gap that exists in our knowledge, man has invented Gods to feel the void.  Your God is on his last leg.  100’s of years have brought forth facts that have filled many of those gaps.  Your God has precious few left.  And when he’s out of gaps, he’ll be out of the minds and humanity will be all the better for it.

 

Your question isn’t a bragging point, it’s an embarrassment to humanity.  It’s proof that many will stop at nothing to satisfy the egos desire to know something or at least think they do.

 

Now you see clearly I’ve answered all those questions you ignorantly assumed unanswerable.  Of course if you had an IQ higher than a plant you could have helped yourself to answers just like these by using the great and powerful wizard called Google.

 

Sadly though, your goal isn’t to get answers and it’s obvious in the mind numbing article you posted.  Your goal is to feed the sheep.  It’s to appear smart to the most ignorant among us.

 

Your goal is to pitch a strawman to your sheep as if it’s evidence for belief.  How awfully fragile ones faith must be that you dare not look anything up before infecting others with your nonsense, you refuse to debate, listen to or respond to the myriad of facts that annihilate your position.

 

This is immoral and unethical.  Your goal is to gain followers, sell shirts and swag that demonstrate the worst humanity has to offer.  Fuck you, from the bottom of my feet to the top of my head, fuck you.  You are nothing more than a dishonest 2 bit self aggrandizing carney hocking your stupidity to those you find are more stupid than you.

 

You could end it all, if only you could provide any evidence for your invisible friend on high. But there is no evidence and from you and others like you, we can only expect more insane, illogical and straw man fallacies for the duration.  This infuriates me, it angers me to my core.  It’s not that you’re an imbecile, it’s that you feed that insatiable ego by harming and deluding others.

 

So again, fuck you!  And although you may never read, listen or respond, some of your followers will and hopefully some will raise their heads to view further than the sheeps asshole in front of them.

061 ExChristian Confessions Matthew O’Neil God Particle

I can’t even begin to tell you what an amazing show this is.  Starting with a rant on sin, modesty and whores, we then spoke with Andrea who was diagnosed last week with IIH and  then our guest, Matthew O’Neil, author of You Say That I Am joined us to discuss his new book and the Messianic problems of Christ. And all that, right at the beginning.

Somehow and I’m still trying to figure it out, we were plagued at the beginning of the show with two uninvited guests.  Unbeknownst to me, the audio on the video feed was muted and so the rant is only available above or via the podcast outlets like Stitcher, Spreaker and iTunes.  After the rant I figured it out and removed the visitors and un-muted my line.

No worries, the entire 4.5 hour show is available by clicking above or visiting our Stitcher page.

Pastor Roy – Catfish Creek Trailer Park

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Help Andrea and Casey Helping A Heathen Family

Andrea Gaudette-FontneauRamos is a friend of the show.  She was diagnosed last week with IIH which mimics a brain tumor by causing to much pressure on the brain.  Her husband Casey is working full-time while trying to keep up with the children and all the doctors appointments.

They have created a GoFundMe page seeking our support and already some of you have helped out. Please check out the page here and support them with whatever you can afford.  The God’s have informed me that because of your support, they will provide a dessert sometime in the future.

Matthew O’Neil

you say that i amI gushed enough during the show so I shall spare you here, but buy this book.  You Say That I Am is a very well written book that is palatable by anyone.  It will certainly arm you with information I’ve yet to hear about the Messianic problems with Christ (Jesus).

Although I’m in the camp that Jesus probably never existed in any form, this book provides evidence that counters much of what Christians will throw at you regarding the nature of Christ.  Last night we offered 10 free signed copies to anyone who posted on our facebook wall with a picture and a request for a copy. As of my writing we are at 5 or 6, so if you hurry, you might just get a free signed copy.

4 1/2 Hours – WTF?

Yup, we actually ran over our normal 3 hours by 1.5 hours and I promise, you’ve heard nothing like it.  Honestly, listening – the time will fly by.

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Rant:

Sin…

This idea and belief that certain things are bad, very bad – in fact many are considered evil. My 15 year old daughter longs to be 25 as most do, likes to wear short shorts, belly shirts and tight jeans.  My older daughters suffered from my zealous moral ideologies severely.  It is the source now of much of my parenting guilt.

 

One of them after years of heavy indoctrination about premarital sex, revealing clothing and the incessant pleas to abstain from allowing a boy to violate her recounted her first sexual experience being anal.  All to avoid losing her virginity.

 

My plan worked on the vagina but I failed to cover the other orifices in my indoctrinations.  She at 17 went unprepared into a relationship and it’s my fault.  Now I’m not saying there is anything wrong with anal sex.  It’s fantastic from my perspective now, but at one time I never considered that my edicts for abstinence would result in possibly dangerous attempts to satisfy a biological urge that is demonstrably stronger than any moral code and it’s accompanying punishment could dissuade.

I required skirts to the knees at least, shorts that came mid thigh and nothing remotely see through.  I taught them nothing of the joys or risks of sex and only spent my time foretelling of great sorrow and pain they would cause themselves if they surrendered to the sin of sex.  I told them how God sees all, that he would lift away blessings of protection and could possibly punish our entire family.

All this I learned and was just repeating the same.  Never did I reason with the ideas I firmly thought true, but instead accepted lock stock and barrel every immoral idea and indoctrination I’d received.

I was talking to my father once, prior to atheism and we were discussing heaven.  I told him I was going to ask God why he made mosquitos and sand gnats once I died and could meet him.  My father said he was going to ask why on earth he gave us such strong sex drives while forbidding most everything sexual.

 

Even then it did not hit me.  I didn’t question God’s legitimacy, I only questioned the logic of his rules.  But always this was short lived.  I never once considered that god wasn’t real.

 

Back to my youngest daughter.  By the way, I have six and hopefully my parenting is more in line with reason and logic than sociologic ideologies.  I have no problem now with her wearing the clothes she likes to wear.  My wife worries about what other people may be thinking and if they are having sexual thoughts about the girls, but I argue that I can’t control the thoughts of others and they don’t bother me in the least.

 

Today, Muslim men require daughters to hide their faces to prevent males from having sexual or lustful thoughts.  Women are not free to express themselves in the least.  Some can not even show the bottoms of their feet due to religious dogma that insists coverings.

 

How is my requiring skirts to the knees any different?  My father required my sisters to wear shorts over their one piece bathing suits and I once demanded the same.  It seems to me now that if there is risk in wearing revealing clothing, that the source of the risk needs the education.  It seems we need to educate the males in society that no matter the lack of clothing a female wears says nothing about her desires.

 

I remember my mom after seeing a girl I was walking home with who donned a tube top.  That girl is asking for it.  She is not wholesome and is only wanting to have sex.  Obviously my mother was indoctrinated with the same misogynistic and morally bankrupt ideas.

 

Girls today are taught the same nonsense.  A girl wearing something revealing is a slut and probably wants to have an orgy.  These ideas come from religion and have even deluded the general social ideas.

 

Now we must warn our daughters that possibly wearing sexy clothing could incite unsafe conditions for themselves.  This is fucking retarded.  It’s backwards thinking.  We aren’t dealing with meat suits in lion cages.  We are dealing with disrespectful males, human males who’ve been given a pass on restraining themselves from violating another human.

 

We’ve taught our sons that girls that dress like that are immoral.  They are sluts.  We’ve encouraged an idea that it’s perfectly normal for a male to be stimulated and responsibility only falls on the female to avoid the unwarranted attention by shrouding her in face coverings, tent dresses, loose clothing and coverups.

 

What the actual fuck is going on?  Well I’ll tell you.  It’s religion!  Every single major religion counts the women among the sheep.  They are not equals, they aren’t even human.  They are slaves to male misogynistic laws and edicts.

 

The Torah and the Bible condone these ideas.  It condones rape and holds a women’s loss of virginity as a crime punishable by death.  Although societies morals have superseded that of the bible, our religious parents raise girls to believe that showing this or that is immoral and that they are sluts and whores if they don’t abide.

 

Even our public schools have been influenced by the religious ideas on sex.  This year news broke of students being sent home for wearing shorts that didn’t come past the fingertips.  The administration defended it’s position with, “Boys can’t concentrate if girls wear clothing like that.”

 

This was no isolated incident.  Today every public school has a modesty clause or dress code that is biased against the females.  And if you ask the administration, they all will defend it with, It’s a distraction.  Why the fuck is it a distraction?

 

Well it’s a distraction because religious parents of males are not demanding their children have respect for all, instead they do as my mom did.  They teach them that girls who are sexy or appealing are immoral.

 

It’s a cycle of ignorance at the hands of the religious.  In a moral society, let me change that, in an ethical society, a female should be able to safely walk down the street nude if she wanted without the fear of intimidation, cat calls and threats.  Shouldn’t males be held to the same standard of ethics?

 

Religions fathers were sinisterly brilliant.  They took something innate, something completely normal and called it sin.  They then provided a repentance process that guaranteed the church continued business.

 

Some religions have gone further, they have made it immoral to turn on a switch on the sabbath, to walk alone as a female, to eat certain foods and even to the extreme of making certain thoughts a crime.

 

Religion has infected humanity with a virus that instills virtue in nothing.  It could of been bending your elbow in public.

 

Yes, bending your elbow is fine in the privacy of your home, but in public, ohhhh that is so immoral.  God doesn’t like that.

 

Well I have to bend my elbows in public.  I work at UPS and other workers will see me as I lift and load boxes.  Yes, we know, no one can be perfect like WoogeyBoogeyBoo was, but fortunately if you sin, you can pay penance here.  You can be forgiven and the lord will love you again.

 

Yes, but I plan to work at UPS for years and I’m certain I can’t hide my elbow bends from everyone.

 

Yes, we know.  But WoogeyBoogeyBoo loves you and would rather you find a job where you aren’t required to bend your elbows in public.  Maybe you could pray to him and he could help you find another job.

 

But I can’t even go grocery shopping without bending my elbows.  Why did WoogeyBoogeyBoo give me elbows if I wasn’t to use them.

 

Oh, well that’s simple.  The lord God woogeyboogeyboo gave you elbows to use in the privacy of your own home with reverence and respect.  He knew you’d want to bend them but he certainly doesn’t want you to bend them in public.

 

But fear not.  If you must bend them in public, please come see us and with your tithes and repentance –  you can be forgiven.

 

Eventually the school systems have codes of conduct to prevent distraction, they forbid bending of elbows while at school.  The government makes laws and rules as if these moral codes and edicts actually have value and eventually society, even the non religious think it’s valid.

 

Life vests promote drowning, fire extinguishers and alarms promote arson and so we certainly can’t teach young men to respect women regardless of what they wear.

 

It’s insanity.  I’ve asked others before.  What reason do you have against women wearing revealing clothing.  If it is immoral, then Why?  How so?  Ultimately you will get a response that they don’t want others to harass, harm or violate the girls.  Well great, but shouldn’t that responsibility lie solely on the ones doing the harm and violations?

 

The Jewish laws found mainly in the Torah forbid you from carrying your keys, medicine or even kleenex outside of your home on the Sabbath.  And I can understand, this could ruin society and it’s simply immoral.

 

But fear not, the devil is with them.  The Jews have figured out how to bend at the elbow in public..  They erect a line or wire that surrounds their village or even their neighborhoods in the U.S.  Thereby creating a larger home so to speak.  So instead of their home being what a home is, the four walls and door in which you reside, it is now the entire neighborhood.  It’s called an Eruv.

 

Now the immoral act of walking outside and blowing your nose on the sabbath is completely moral and because God is suck a fuckwit, he doesn’t even realize the trick they just played on him.

 

I’ve said all this to say this.  My daughter should not fear retaliation, should not be made into a public whore or immoral trollop because she wears a belly shirt or short shorts.  It is you, YOU religious fucktards who should teach your boys and your men to control themselves.  Responsibility lies solely on your shoulders.  I will not bend or break the rights of others to preserve and protect your immoral, unethical and misogynistic idealogies.

 

In short, you can fuck off!  Your religion is responsible for this madness.  It starts with you, it starts with you looking beyond the prohibition against and determining why. You can pretend your edicts hold valid cause but they do not and we will call you out on each occasion.

 

You can not defend your position unless you can defend covering your daughters from head to toe like the muslims require.  You can not defend your position unless you abide by all the laws and edicts found in your holy books.

 

I’ve had enough of your cherry picking christian conservative ignorance.  You are harming my family and the world’s humanity.  Fuck you and fuck your fake ass, cherry picked bronze aged morals.

 

May God B less.

061 ExChristian Confessions Matthew O’Neil God Particle

Dave Foda Breaksdown The Debate

If you missed the debate Friday, Cash & Love debated with Jason Reenie of the Christian Meets World podcast.  You can listen to hit here.  http://aoa.fm/1hf2Kks

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Jason Rennie is the host of the “Christian Meets World” podcast (http://www.christianmeetsworld.com), a long-running podcast dedicated to promoting Christianity.  On the evening of January 17, 2014, he was the guest of “Atheists On Air,” hosted by Cash Atheos and Jennifer Lovejoy, broadcasting (online) from western North Carolina.  I was not a featured guest on this episode, but I had some interest in the content, and graciously, “Cash and Love” did invite me to put in my two cents.  For that, and for the chance to talk to Rennie, I am appreciative.  I had the opportunity to spar with Rennie (lightly), and here are some of my observations on both his presentation and his theology.  (Note:  I was unable to catch the entire show, which started at about 7:00 p.m. EST.  I tuned in at around 8:15 p.m., so my comments relate to the show content from that point forward.  These points are probably not in order, but you’ll be able to get a feel for how this particular Christian – Rennie – thinks.)

Without going into introductions or flowery set-up (because I don’t have the mental mojo to be introductory or flowery tonight), here are my points:

 

1.) At one place in the broadcast, Rennie accused Cash of making a positive claim about Biblical contradictions, when Cash’s statement was an observation, not a claim.  Even though I pointed this out to Rennie, Rennie still insisted that Cash’s statement was a “claim.”  What Rennie didn’t seem to logically understand is that a “claim” is made usually before evidence is offered, because evidence is offered IN SUPPORT of a claim.  Cash was commenting on evidence that had already been presented (i.e., the Bible).  He was not making claim of refutation, he was observing the material offered in support of Rennie’s claim that the Biblical material is not contradictory; when, in fact, it is CLEARLY contradictory.

 

2.) Rennie kept trying to mischaracterize what I (Dave Foda) was saying about New Testament (Greek-speaking) authors who misunderstood the words of Old Testament (Hebrew-speaking) prophets.  He surmised my words as being a position that I was accusing New Testament authors engaging in an “illegitimate use of the text, based on the way the text was used at the time.”  No, that isn’t what I was saying, at all.  And, even when this was pointed out, Rennie still kept referring to my position as “illegitimate use of the text.”  My point was that regardless of the motivations or accidents that led to the mistake in a Greek-speaking author misusing or misinterpreting a Hebrew-speaking “prophet,” the “mistake” is still present, so the cognizant Christian still needs to come up with a way to reconcile these obvious inconsistencies.  To refuse to do so – or to avoid the challenge – is a surrender.

 

3.) In response to my illustration of of faulty interpretation of Old Testament “prophecy” (the prophecy of Jesus’ birth in Isaiah 7 by the writer of the gospels), Rennie actually – and fatally – agreed with my anecdote of Henry Morris III’s words to me, when I asked him about Biblical literalism and prophecy, and Morris told me that “Sometimes, God has to fulfill prophecies more than once.”  EVEN IF THIS WERE TRUE, it certainly does not apply to Isaiah 7, simply because the continuing Biblical narrative in Isaiah 8 shows unequivocally that the “prophecy” had nothing to do with Jesus at all.  Period.  End of story.  But, Rennie, without actually understanding the text itself, agreed with a Young-Earth Creationist apologist (Morris III).

 

4.) “I don’t think that they’re contradictory in the way you think they are.”  This was Rennie’s response to Cash’s position on the discrepancies in the gospel accounts of events in Harry Potter’s life……sorry, JESUS’ life…..and Cash’s observation of the disagreement in the lineage of Jesus between two gospels.  What amused me is that the way Rennie worded his response ironically accepts that there ARE contradictions, but he didn’t bother to explain the contradictions that Cash noted, nor did he actually try to delineate the difference between his understanding and Cash’s understanding of “contradiction.”

 

5.) With regard to the Resurrection, Rennie stated, “…..You’ve got something that happened two thousand years ago and you need to account for it.”  Shortly thereafter, he stated, “……unless you have good reason to think that a resurrection is impossible, I don’t think the alternative accounts I’ve seen that attempt to cover the bits and pieces of evidence are convincing.”  This is a sublime example of presuppostionalist smoke-and-mirrors:  It automatically assumes, based on uncorroborated and untestable assertions, that an event happened.  He’s adopted an idea, presupposing (without evidence) that Jesus’ Resurrection actually happened.  Then, he suggests – no, INSISTS – that ALL other possible offers of explanation are unworthy, presumably because they do not meet the demands of a miracle.  Get that?  In the process of presupposing a miraculous resurrection, he inadvertently – and accidentally – admits that there’s no evidence to support it, either.  Thusly, he’s “making shit up.”

 

The cherry on top for me was this:

 

6.) At one point, while talking to Cash, he referred to yours truly as “your caller.”  He doesn’t really know who I am.  😀  (I’m okay with that.)

 

Cash may show up on Rennie’s podcast.  Rennie may show up on Atheists On Air again.  In either case, it promises to be a pretty entertaining transaction.

 

Overall, in summary, it is not enough for atheists and non-theists to know THAT apologetic arguments for Yahweh are false, it is necessary to know WHY those arguments are false.

 

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